Re: <nettime> The Baudrillardian Superintelligence Paradox: Capital's Terminal Simulation

[Frédéric Neyrat via nettime-l <nettime-l@lists.nettime.org>]

"Self-aware," I agree Louis, even though I wonder what sort of “self” is at
play here, because the decision, by artists and professors, to
automatically use AI is, to say the least, problematic, especially in a
situation of reactionary accelerationism (i.e, DT + JD).

best,

Frederic


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On Thu, Feb 13, 2025 at 12:15 PM Louis Rawlins via nettime-l <
nettime-l@lists.nettime.org> wrote:

> This is funny.
>
> Doesn't reading AI-generated text feel like reading a CliffsNotes version
> of topics you know? I frequently can't feel bothered to read the output.
>
> I'm less concerned about "what AI" and more curious about the "pudding"
> effect of making copies of copies of copies outlined by Philip K Dick in
> "Pay for the Printer."
>
> Probably that's the dementia you speak of Frederic, but it seems like a
> pretty self-aware dementia at the moment.
>
> Louis
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> >       Terminal Simulation (Fr?d?ric Neyrat)
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> >       Terminal Simulation (Stefan Heidenreich)
> >    3. Re: The Baudrillardian Superintelligence Paradox: Capital's
> >       Terminal Simulation (Fr?d?ric Neyrat)
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> > Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2025 09:01:02 -0600
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> >         Capital's Terminal Simulation
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> > hi sh:
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> > excellent question! why using a camera, and which one? If questioning the
> > technology we use, when we use it and why, is meaningless, it confirms
> > Bifo's point about AI & dementia.
> >
> > best,
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> > On Thu, Feb 13, 2025 at 8:11?AM Stefan Heidenreich via nettime-l <
> > nettime-l@lists.nettime.org> wrote:
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> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > > Why did you decide to use AI to generate this text?
> > >
> > > isn't that a funny question? Soon it will sound like in the 19 century:
> > > 'why did you use a camera to make that image?' or 'Images/texts
> > > generated by camera/AI or not real art/thoughts.'
> > >
> > > An btw: I guess it's a pun anyway. How long did it take you to generate
> > > the msg you like. How much time did you spend to adjust the prompt (the
> > > camera)?
> > >
> > > best
> > > sh
> > >
> > >
> > >   Why this decision, what
> > > > is its meaning, its purpose? You can use AI to answer my question,
> > which
> > > > would be an answer as such (a tautology actually, a mediated answer
> > that
> > > > would confirm what sort of message it is, to borrow from McLuhan). If
> > you
> > > > answer my question with the help of any AI, I wonder how far this
> > > > decision should, retroactively, question your first post and change
> the
> > > way
> > > > to read it.
> > > >
> > > > Best,
> > > >
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> > > > On Wed, Feb 12, 2025 at 4:37?PM Pit Schultz via nettime-l <
> > > > nettime-l@lists.nettime.org> wrote:
> > > >
> > > >> The Baudrillardian Superintelligence Paradox: Capital's Terminal
> > > Simulation
> >
>
> [snippety]
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> > > >> [This analysis is based on ongoing discussions about AI political
> > > economy
> > > >> on nettime-l. Comments are welcome. This post was generated entirely
> > by
> > > >> AI.]
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