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Re: <nettime> Open Source and Denied Parties Francis <sera@fhwang.net> t byfield <tbyfield@panix.com> Florian Cramer <cantsin@zedat.fu-berlin.de> - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2003 10:17:51 -0400 Subject: Re: <nettime> Open Source and Denied Parties From: Francis <sera@fhwang.net> That Google Groups discussion was pretty dispiriting, I have to admit. But then, just because somebody's an open source programmer doesn't mean he's not an asshole, too. They come in all stripes. It's worth noting that a good number of programmers in the open source world don't follow the ideological lines of open source as delineated by academics and legal theorists. For them, open source is simply what works. Mozilla's a big organization, incorporated as a U.S.-based not-for-profit, and they have to follow these sorts of laws. It was suggested in that Google Groups thread that Moz could package a build without crypto so people could use a plugin on their own. That's a good idea, and it's a shame none of the Moz developers wanted to pick it up. But being that this is open source it would be relatively easy for somebody to distribute such builds themselves. The fact that nobody has done so so far -- there are more than 20 independent Moz-based projects -- suggests to me that not a lot of people feel that they are directly affected by this problem. F. On Sunday, September 7, 2003, at 03:54 AM, auskadi wrote: > I just went to check out some buggy thing in my inability to open some > attachments in my Mozilla mail that get sent to me from a mac ... I > started here: <...> - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2003 11:58:22 -0400 From: t byfield <tbyfield@panix.com> Subject: Re: <nettime> Open Source and Denied Parties auskadi@tvcabo.co.mz (Sun 09/07/03 at 09:54 AM +0200): > Sort of funny approach ... "the source shall be free but only free to > those that the Bush/Cheny Junta tell us are free".... i suppose you can blame bush/cheney for this law because they happen to be the current occupants of CEO position in the USA, but in point of fact these terms are more liberal than they used to be. * This source code is subject to the U.S. Export Administration Regulations and other U.S. law, and may not be exported or re-exported to certain countries (currently Afghanistan (Taliban controlled areas), Cuba, Iran, Iraq, Libya, North Korea, Sudan and Syria) or to persons or entities prohibited from receiving U.S. exports (including Denied Parties, entities on the Bureau of Export Administration Entity List, and Specially Designated Nationals). specifically, it seems that you can now export cryptographic software to non-taliban-controlled areas of afghanistan. that's new. however, if the administration wants to 'go there' in the sense of incrementally adding new areas where crypto is permitted, they'd better start includ- ing auto-updating live links in the EAR (Export Administration Regula- tions) language. and, judging by the fortunes of the current US military adventures, their system for updating those links had better be, uh, 'scalable and robust,' because it'll get a real workout. anyway, this is just the latest devolution of a kind of law that's been on the books more in the US since 1943, under the theory -- which, his- torically is correct, imo -- that cryptography is (de facto, not ipso facto) military technology. that's changed quite a bit; the laws haven't. (iirc, it isn't even really a law per se -- it's a regulation renewed each year under some '30s-era 'emergency' act.) these rules are interesting because they reveal a surprisingly 'medieval' map of the world: 'there be dragons hyer,' where 'hyer' = [axis of evil, luxury edition]. obviosuly, as rules, they're very broken: iraqi WMDs were presented as grounds for a US/UK invasion, NK is about to detonate a nuke, libya has complied+ with decades of US demands, iran was head- ing in the direction of deeply cosmopolitan generation, etc -- and the US wants to make sure they only get decoder rings from breakfast cereals. the vast gap separating these rules from the world they purport to govern reminds me, in a way, of the recent squabble over DARPA's 'policy action market.' that project was predicated on the fantasy that 'markets' are better than any other mechanism for predicting outcomes, and therefore we need to set one up to do so -- never mind that we already have zillions of markets that, evidently, failed to recognize (a) the need for such a market and/or (b) their own potential to serve as predictive mechanisms. like many things, this neoliberal fantasy carries more than a whiff of marxism warmed over with its normative indicators inverted (i.e., good becomes bad and vice versa): just as the infinitely transpersonal laboring masses never really could get it together to constitute a coherent sub- ject, neither shall 'the markets.' and so with cryptography: efforts by, truly, very open nations such as the US to prevent very closed nations from getting their grubby mitts on tools to keep things closed. effective? nope. enforced? barely. where were you when you were asked to agree to this license? mozambique? eek. why *should* OS/F programmers get worked up over these laws? because they're there? cheers, t - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2003 19:35:32 +0200 From: Florian Cramer <cantsin@zedat.fu-berlin.de> Subject: Re: <nettime> Open Source and Denied Parties Am Sonntag, 07. September 2003 um 09:54:50 Uhr (+0200) schrieb auskadi: > Some guy/genius here seems to think that the U.S. Export Administration > Regulations is not a GNU/Open Source issue. > > Sort of funny approach ... "the source shall be free but only free to > those that the Bush/Cheny Junta tell us are free".... Unfortunately, export regulations are superimposed to any distribution of software, be it free or non-free. Free cryptographic software like PGP and SSH are prime examples because until recently, they couldn't be legally exported from the U.S. at all so that it had to be developed either outside the U.S. or exported using tricky circumvention methods (like printing sourcecode in a book). Free/open source software can not rule out the legal framework it is being developed and distributed within, so it can only be as free as the law permits (just as Free Software copylefts exist only within the boundaries of current copyright legislation). -F -- http://userpage.fu-berlin.de/~cantsin/homepage/ http://www.complit.fu-berlin.de/institut/lehrpersonal/cramer.html GnuPG/PGP public key ID 3200C7BA, finger cantsin@mail.zedat.fu-berlin.de - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - # distributed via <nettime>: no commercial use without permission # <nettime> is a moderated mailing list for net criticism, # collaborative text filtering and cultural politics of the nets # more info: majordomo@bbs.thing.net and "info nettime-l" in the msg body # archive: http://www.nettime.org contact: nettime@bbs.thing.net